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A few weeks ago, those of you who watched the show regularly will remember that we had a

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gentleman on the show who told us the story of how he and his wife were taking a border

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flying saucer.

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Now, in the past several years, there have been many similar stories of which some have

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been explained.

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However, there have been many studies of an identified flying object which can't be explained

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by natural phenomena.

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So today we have with us a scientist who has been a leading astronomer for over 25 years.

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He has some very definite ideas on what flying saucers are and where they come from.

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And I know we're all going to be delighted to meet him.

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So welcome and please, Dr. I am Levitt.

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Do you believe there are such a thing as a flying saucer?

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Well, I believe there are unidentified flying objects.

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You call them flying saucers.

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This is your definition.

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You don't think they're flying saucers?

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Well, I believe people are seeing things.

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This is the first thing we've got.

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They're seeing things, but I think in most cases we can explain what they are seeing

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as the operation of a natural law.

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In very few cases we might find that these are not the operation of a natural law, which

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we have no knowledge of yet.

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You know, if we knew everything there was to know about science, we could close up our

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universities, our colleges, our research organizations.

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And obviously we are still going to school.

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We're still learning a great deal.

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And so our 21st century science is going to be far beyond our 20th century science.

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And our 22nd century science will be far beyond that.

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And so we have gotten into a realm where we are projecting into the future and we are

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trying today to explain phenomena, perhaps of which we have no knowledge.

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This may be the...

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But if this is a phenomenon that's been around, say, that we just don't explain,

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why is it only the last several years that people started to talk about seeing them?

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Well, this is general policy.

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You know the French sauce-flying saucers back in the 18th century?

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The English saw the famous Durham lights in the 19th century and the 20th century

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leading in this country's theorem.

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And apparently there's a PhD thesis in this for some psychology student.

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Doctor, you just called the flying saucers and you corrected me when I said it.

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See? How easy a slip into that.

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All right, I'm sorry.

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Have you ever seen one, say?

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No, I have not. This is a thing that bothers me.

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Why discriminate against me?

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You know, people are seeing things and some scientists or some astronomers have

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two, three, four, but there are about 2,000 of them.

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Well, why does it have to be someone taking a day home at three o'clock in the morning

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in the morning to see these things and not me?

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There have been some commercial pilots who have seen them.

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Precisely.

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Yeah.

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Not commercial pilots.

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No, no, no.

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But here again we get back to the thing that I started off with when I started to set my

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cards up.

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These people are seeing things.

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We cannot explain what they are seeing for two reasons.

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One is their definition, their description is not good enough, and two is that their

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description is perfect in there.

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What they tell us is perfect.

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We do not know under what laws these things operate.

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Now let me give you an example of that.

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We have radiation belts around the Earth.

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They've been around the Earth for five billion years.

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We never knew it until we sent Explorer 1 up in January of 1958 and suddenly we know

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their radiation belts.

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There's a solar wind moving out from the sun doing all sorts of tricks, the comets to the

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magnetic field of the Earth and so on.

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We never knew that until 1960 when Pioneer went out.

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And so all around us, on the Earth, off in space, we have the operation of natural laws

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at which we have no knowledge.

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And I would guess, I would speculate that most of the sightings which cannot be explained

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but which come to us from skilled observers like airline pilots and people of that caliber

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or that category, these are the operation of the natural laws of which we have no knowledge.

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But how do you explain all these pictures that have appeared?

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Well, I would guess most of them are fakes and phonies.

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If I were a photographer setting out to show you a picture of a flying saucer with a skill

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I have, I could really conjure up a lulu.

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And so I think that most of them are phonies.

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There are some which apparently are not.

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The one that the Coast Guardsmen made up in Connecticut, four blobs of stuff out there,

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this is a genuine picture, this man photographed it.

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Now if you ask me, well, what's the photograph again?

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I say, I don't know what it is, the photograph, because we just don't know.

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Well, why is it that most of the sightings have been in the United States?

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There have been a couple.

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There was one in Scotland, as I recall.

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Why most of them in this country, not in other countries?

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And the Queen, any in Austria? Excuse me.

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Pardon me?

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Any in Austria? Is anyone ever in the inside of this?

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They thought they were doing it.

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You're right.

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I've seen them.

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And as far as France, they've seen them all over here.

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You're not with the intensity that we have.

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And I think this is a tribute to our remarkable press radio, our news media, because if something

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happens out in, say, Texas at, oh, let's say, 120, at 125, we are hearing about it in Philadelphia.

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And so the tremendous grasp of the news media today has perpetuated and has assimilated this

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and has perpetuated this.

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Well, I was saying the story that was in Life Magazine, for instance, that two people were

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abducted. Remember the story?

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Yes.

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And put in the price, also, and they came back.

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Now, what sort of a thing is that?

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Well, I personally doubt this.

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But we look at magazine like Life Magazine.

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I think it was.

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Well, we'll look at it.

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Any of them.

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Now, the one thing you must remember is that this is newsworthy.

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Look, life, the post, our newspapers, they are interested in selling papers, magazines,

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or books.

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Doctor, we had this man on the show, and he was an articulate, bright man.

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And why do you doubt something like that?

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Well, my doubts concerning these people who have been in the flying office, and I have

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been on a show with someone from North Jersey who, incidentally, was on a flying

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start from Venus, he married a Newsyan girl, which turned out to be a magnificently beautiful

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blonde.

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Well, that already felt so.

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Well, let me come back, Michelle.

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Did he bring her back with him?

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When he left today?

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No, she was here.

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I saw her.

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But as I say, tremendous, tremendous girl.

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What does she look like this girl?

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Hey, beautifully stacked blonde.

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Well, can I tell you?

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We'll be right back.

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Oh, Doctor, we'd like to show our audience and you a picture taken February 26, 1955

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in an eight millimeter.

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It was a motion picture camera.

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And here's a still of us.

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Mrs. Rodefer took this in Maryland.

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Looks like the Batmobile.

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She says this is an authentic flying saucer.

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Now, what do you think that?

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Who authenticated it?

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Mr. Rodefer.

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No, seriously, I would doubt that this is quote, authentic end quote flying saucer,

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unidentified flying object.

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This is too pat.

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When you you provide for me amorphous things, which I cannot precisely describe,

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I might go along with you as being the picture of a phenomenon.

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But when you give it to me with these hard lines, I find it very, very difficult to accept.

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Mike, maybe get back to this.

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Yes, sir.

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And the flying saucer.

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Yes.

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Well, I was on a show at this check who apparently had been in a flying saucer from

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Venus.

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And he told us about his experiences.

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And I sat there and waited until it finished.

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And then I asked one question.

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And the question goes along these lines.

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If for any spaceship to come to the Earth, means they have achieved a technological

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stature far beyond where we are today, perhaps where we will be in the year 2000,

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perhaps where we'll be in the year 2100 AD.

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Therefore, all of their technology must have kept pace with this.

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And for instance, if you take me into a spaceship like that, I will see the shape of things

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that come in terms of food, clothes, furniture, propulsion, all types of things.

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And so I asked him a very simple question.

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I described the inside of this ship to me and I told him this and I said, it better be good.

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And he never said a word.

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He stared right out of the audience and never said a word.

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And so when this chap was on the show with you, he says he was an applying saucer.

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I would like to pose precisely the same question to him.

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Explain to me and describe to me the operations of this device which is far in the future.

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The wife claims she saw everything.

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That was so weird.

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And also they get them a physical examination.

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The wife.

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They read somewhere a physical examination.

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Now, let's go ahead in 10 years, 10 or 15 years.

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Now right here on the Earth, Mike, I believe that in 10 or 15 years,

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they're going to put someone like yourself in some sort of a cubicle.

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And they are not going to.

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I'll be ready for it in 10 years.

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I know, Mike.

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You will.

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Well, forgive me.

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Forgive me.

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We will lie to you on a nice, smooth, hard bed.

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Oh, you mean I'm not a good girl?

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We'll put you on a hard bed.

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We will be able to take a complete medical subject you to a complete medical examination,

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perhaps without putting a thing on you because the sensors, the sophisticated sensors that we will be using on a human being

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are such that you will be able to take pressure, temperature, pulse,

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perhaps the operation of internal organs and so on.

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And no one will put a finger on you, but somebody will monitor a set of dials and will be able to give you that.

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Now, if these people are in a spaceship which has come in from this outer region

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and they're so far ahead of us, they must be in order to be able to do this,

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do you mean to say they're going to give them an examination the way we do it today in our own hospitals?

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I doubt this.

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I can't hold still for that.

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I'll be happy when that machine comes along and can get away from those doctors who keep those stethyscopes in the refrigerator.

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I don't know how much it's going to cost.

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Well, it probably will cost a lot less than it costs to pay because it's the most expensive thing in the labor.

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There won't be any labor associated with this.

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Of course, I mean, I've got a nice job for all of this.

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Do you think there is any other intelligent life in outer space?

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Yes, I think there's an infinity of intelligent life in outer space.

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And I believe most of it, in outer space, I mean away out in space, not in our own solar system, but beyond that.

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There's an infinity of life out there, and I think most of it is a good bit more intelligent than the life we have here on the Earth.

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And the reason for that is that our sun is a relatively new star.

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And some four or five billion years after the star comes into being,

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if it has a planetary system, a form of life is generated or evolves on that planetary system.

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And so if we are a relatively new star and most of them are older than we are,

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then I would imagine these other civilizations go far beyond where we are today.

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I think we've ever been visited by any of these beings from other planets.

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It is quite possible that we have been visited.

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I think it was Thomas Gold who, I think he is, my man.

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He's an astrophysicist at the Coronel and said,

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it is conceivable that a long, long time ago, perhaps several billion years ago,

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a spaceship came in from another planetary system.

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And they sat down on the Earth looking around and said,

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why have a disgusting, what a sterile planet this is?

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Well, let's visit again a couple of billion years.

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And they took what they had to in terms of supplies and whatever else they needed.

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And of course, like the average picnic air when he's ready to leave,

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he tosses everything out of the car.

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And now the spaceship may have gone with the apple cores and banana peels and the tomatoes and so on.

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And if they did, it is conceivable that we may have a bath from something like that.

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I agree because I have an uncle I know who's from out of this world.

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Thank you very much. We'll be right back.